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Negativland PWNS U2!!!
(In Your Face, Bono!)
The U2 record incident
Negativland's next project was the U2 EP, with samples from American Top 40 host Casey Kasem. In 1991, Negativland released a single with the title "U2" displayed in very large type on the front of the packaging, and "Negativland" in a smaller typeface. An image of the Lockheed U-2 spy plane was also on the single cover.
The songs within were parodies of the group U2's well-known 1987 song, "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For", including kazoos and extensive sampling of the original song. The song "The Letter U And The Numeral 2" features a musical backing to an extended profane rant from well-known disc jockey Casey Kasem, lapsing out of his more polished and professional tone during a frustrating rehearsal which had gone out to many stations as raw feed and was taped by several engineers, who had been passing it around for a number of years. One of Kasem's milder comments was "These guys are from England and who gives a shit?" (U2's members are in fact from the Republic of Ireland).
U2's label Island Records quickly sued Negativland, claiming that placing the word "U2" on the cover violated trademark law, as did the song itself. Island Records also contended that the single was an attempt to deliberately confuse U2 fans, awaiting the impending release of Achtung Baby, into purchasing what they believed was a new U2 album called Negativland.
In June, 1992, R. U. Sirius, publisher of the magazine Mondo 2000, came up with an interesting idea. Publicists from U2 had contacted him regarding the possibility of interviewing Dave "The Edge" Evans, hoping to promote U2's impending multi-million dollar Zoo TV Tour, which featured found sounds and live sampling from mass media outlets (things for which Negativland had been known for some time). Sirius, unbeknownst to Edge, decided to have his friends Joyce and Hosler of Negativland conduct the interview. Joyce and Hosler, fresh from Island's lawsuit, peppered the Edge with questions regarding his ideas about the use of sampling in their new tour, and the legality of using copyrighted material without permission. Midway through the interview, Joyce and Hosler revealed their identities as members of Negativland. An embarrassed Edge reported that U2 were bothered by the sledgehammer legal approach Island Records took in their lawsuit, and furthermore that much of the legal wrangling took place without U2's knowledge: "by the time we [U2] realized what was going on it was kinda too late, and we actually did approach the record company on your [Negativland's] behalf and said, 'Look, c'mon, this is just, this is very heavy...'" Island Records reported to Negativland that U2 never authorized samples of their material; Evans' response was, "that's complete bollocks, there's like, there's at least six records out there that are direct samples from our stuff."[2]
The "U2" single (along with other related material) was re-released in 2001 on a "bootleg" album entitled These Guys Are from England and Who Gives a Shit, released on "Seelard Records" (a parody of Negativland's record label Seeland Records). It is thought likely that Negativland themselves were responsible for the re-release, and that U2 gave their blessing; although the Negativland website refers to this release as a bootleg, it is available from major retailers like Best Buy, Amazon, and Tower Records, as well as Negativland's own mail-order business.
Negativland are interested in intellectual property rights, and argue that their use of U2's and others' material falls under the fair use clause. In 1995, they released a book, with accompanying CD, called Fair Use: The Story of the Letter U and the Numeral 2, about the whole U2 incident (from Island Records first suing Negativland for the release to Negativland gaining back control of their work four years later). The book ends with a large appendix of essays about fair use and copyright by Negativland and others, telling the story with newspaper clippings, court papers, faxes, press releases and other documents arranged in chronological order. An unfortunate side effect of the Negativland-Island lawsuit was another one brought on between Negativland and SST, which served to sever all remaining ties the two had. To get back at Negativland (while wryly circumventing their name), SST founder Greg Ginn later released the Negativ(e)land: Live on Tour album on SST.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativland
The U2 record incident
Negativland's next project was the U2 EP, with samples from American Top 40 host Casey Kasem. In 1991, Negativland released a single with the title "U2" displayed in very large type on the front of the packaging, and "Negativland" in a smaller typeface. An image of the Lockheed U-2 spy plane was also on the single cover.
The songs within were parodies of the group U2's well-known 1987 song, "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For", including kazoos and extensive sampling of the original song. The song "The Letter U And The Numeral 2" features a musical backing to an extended profane rant from well-known disc jockey Casey Kasem, lapsing out of his more polished and professional tone during a frustrating rehearsal which had gone out to many stations as raw feed and was taped by several engineers, who had been passing it around for a number of years. One of Kasem's milder comments was "These guys are from England and who gives a shit?" (U2's members are in fact from the Republic of Ireland).
U2's label Island Records quickly sued Negativland, claiming that placing the word "U2" on the cover violated trademark law, as did the song itself. Island Records also contended that the single was an attempt to deliberately confuse U2 fans, awaiting the impending release of Achtung Baby, into purchasing what they believed was a new U2 album called Negativland.
In June, 1992, R. U. Sirius, publisher of the magazine Mondo 2000, came up with an interesting idea. Publicists from U2 had contacted him regarding the possibility of interviewing Dave "The Edge" Evans, hoping to promote U2's impending multi-million dollar Zoo TV Tour, which featured found sounds and live sampling from mass media outlets (things for which Negativland had been known for some time). Sirius, unbeknownst to Edge, decided to have his friends Joyce and Hosler of Negativland conduct the interview. Joyce and Hosler, fresh from Island's lawsuit, peppered the Edge with questions regarding his ideas about the use of sampling in their new tour, and the legality of using copyrighted material without permission. Midway through the interview, Joyce and Hosler revealed their identities as members of Negativland. An embarrassed Edge reported that U2 were bothered by the sledgehammer legal approach Island Records took in their lawsuit, and furthermore that much of the legal wrangling took place without U2's knowledge: "by the time we [U2] realized what was going on it was kinda too late, and we actually did approach the record company on your [Negativland's] behalf and said, 'Look, c'mon, this is just, this is very heavy...'" Island Records reported to Negativland that U2 never authorized samples of their material; Evans' response was, "that's complete bollocks, there's like, there's at least six records out there that are direct samples from our stuff."[2]
The "U2" single (along with other related material) was re-released in 2001 on a "bootleg" album entitled These Guys Are from England and Who Gives a Shit, released on "Seelard Records" (a parody of Negativland's record label Seeland Records). It is thought likely that Negativland themselves were responsible for the re-release, and that U2 gave their blessing; although the Negativland website refers to this release as a bootleg, it is available from major retailers like Best Buy, Amazon, and Tower Records, as well as Negativland's own mail-order business.
Negativland are interested in intellectual property rights, and argue that their use of U2's and others' material falls under the fair use clause. In 1995, they released a book, with accompanying CD, called Fair Use: The Story of the Letter U and the Numeral 2, about the whole U2 incident (from Island Records first suing Negativland for the release to Negativland gaining back control of their work four years later). The book ends with a large appendix of essays about fair use and copyright by Negativland and others, telling the story with newspaper clippings, court papers, faxes, press releases and other documents arranged in chronological order. An unfortunate side effect of the Negativland-Island lawsuit was another one brought on between Negativland and SST, which served to sever all remaining ties the two had. To get back at Negativland (while wryly circumventing their name), SST founder Greg Ginn later released the Negativ(e)land: Live on Tour album on SST.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativland

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interesting.
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brons of taguig wrote:[b]the RAMONES,SEX PISTOLS&THE CLASH are 3 of the most influential punkrock bands in the history of rock n roll.Before the term punk was invented in the 70's by the press as a label to the rising youth subculture in the US & UK.There were 3 bands in the late 60's really started it all namely- MC5,THE STOOGES & THE VELVET UNDERGROUND...
MC5- first came to prominence as figureheads to JOHN SINCLAIRS "WHITE PANTHER PARTY" in Detroit going to Chicago to play at 1968 democratic convention riots . Describe retrospectively as the first 70's band in the 60's.The MC5 represented about equal parts dope & revolutionary ideology,macho flash& uncompromisingly violent high energy rock n roll.=The 70's punk revival was a scene that MC5 originally pioneered.MC5 is the grand daddies of AMERICAN HARDCORE....
THE STOOGES- a band that was formed by the legendary JAMES JEWEL OSTERBURG a.k.a " IGGY POP" together w/d RON ASHETON on guitars ,SCOTT ASHETON on drums& DAVE ALEXANDER on bass.Elektra records scooped them up along w/d MC5 in 1965.Track after track of 3 chord banal ,slobbering rock n roll, it was quintessential punk rock hailed by afficionados of the genre ridiculed by other sections of rock press.....
THE VELVET UNDERGROUND-the seminal New york band & one of the most important influence in rock ,though never accorded during their existence the recognition their pioneering music warranted .They were formed in 1966 w/d LOU REED-guitar & vocals,JOHN CALE-bass & viola ,STERLING MORRISON -guitars, MAUREEN TUCKER-drums.Fortunately they had by that time came to attention of ANDY WARHOL to add to his multi media unit "THE FACTORY"
New York Dolls pa.. wag mo kakalimutan 2.. and2 c johnny thunders...
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BETRAYED 2ND LINE UP:
DOMINIC "PAPADOM" GAMBOA - vocals
BOYET MIGUEL - bass
MANNY "AJ PEANUTS" PAGSUYUIN - drums
BUDDY TRINIDAD [from the original classic line up] - guitars
R.D.A - means "RAPID DEPLOYMENT & ANTIDOTE
AL QUINT - legendary punk columnist & founder of the "SUB-URBAN PUNK FANZINE"
RAY SEPTIC - vocalist of SEPTIC TANK
THE STINKY TOYS - pioneers of "FRENCH PUNK" Music
ROCK OLA - a dance club along VITO CRUZ .It became the hottest hang out of "punk & new wave afficionados" all over Manila in the 80's
BRAVE NEW WORLD PART 2 - venue "U.P LOS BANOS"
JING GARCIA - former writer of "JINGLE MAGAZINE" .He's one of the most well knowned columnist in the Philippines
PARALYZED BODY INC. - an independent entrepreneurial company founded by "TOMMY TANCHANCO"
HILLY CRYSTAL - [1931 - 2007] - owner 0f the legendary New York punk club "CBGB"
"A BENEFIT FOR VICTIMS OF VIOLENT CRIME" - a benefit album released by "ANTI FLAG" their aim is to raise funds for the victims of violence & crime
BRETT GUREWITZ - guitarist / co-writer of the political punk band "BAD RELIGION" . He's also the founder of EPITAPH RECORDS
CONCENTRATION X - a U.S punk & hardcore fanzine in the 80's
RUSS RANKIN - former vocalist of "GOOD RIDDANCE" & current vocalist of "ONLY CRIME"
DIDITS GONZALES - legendary punk photographer , rock critic & plays a huge part in the early days of PHILIPPINE PUNK SCENE
S.H.A.R.P - means "SkinHead Against Racial Prejudice"
DONITA SPARKS - one of the innovators of the 90's "RIOT GIRL" movement. She is the singer of L7
GOO GOO DOLLS - started out as a punk band before they turned them selves into the more commercial "alternative" music
MAGNIFIED PLAID - the original name of "MXPX"
HANDSOME - nickname of DICK MANITOBA lead singer of THE DICTATORS
PUNKROCK AN ORAL HISTORY - a book that was written by "JOHN ROBB" vocalist of the punk soul outfit "GOLDBLADE".The book contains 150 interviews from diff. "PUNKBANDS & SCENESTERS"
COCK SPARROW - original name of COCK SPARRER , a "melodic Oi / Punk " band in the mid 70's
MAXIMUM ROCK N ROLL - one of the worlds longest running fanzine
ON DISCO - a small "PUNK/CHAUNG" hang out joint located along "ROXAS BLVD." in the 80's
NERBY CRIES - a NewYork based fil-am punk band led by ex- PRIVATE STOCK "EDMUND ARAULLO"
T.R.A.S.H - [ Total Rebellion Against Society's Hypocrites] a band that was formed by "RAY DECAY"
DOMINIC "PAPADOM" GAMBOA - vocals
BOYET MIGUEL - bass
MANNY "AJ PEANUTS" PAGSUYUIN - drums
BUDDY TRINIDAD [from the original classic line up] - guitars
R.D.A - means "RAPID DEPLOYMENT & ANTIDOTE
AL QUINT - legendary punk columnist & founder of the "SUB-URBAN PUNK FANZINE"
RAY SEPTIC - vocalist of SEPTIC TANK
THE STINKY TOYS - pioneers of "FRENCH PUNK" Music
ROCK OLA - a dance club along VITO CRUZ .It became the hottest hang out of "punk & new wave afficionados" all over Manila in the 80's
BRAVE NEW WORLD PART 2 - venue "U.P LOS BANOS"
JING GARCIA - former writer of "JINGLE MAGAZINE" .He's one of the most well knowned columnist in the Philippines
PARALYZED BODY INC. - an independent entrepreneurial company founded by "TOMMY TANCHANCO"
HILLY CRYSTAL - [1931 - 2007] - owner 0f the legendary New York punk club "CBGB"
"A BENEFIT FOR VICTIMS OF VIOLENT CRIME" - a benefit album released by "ANTI FLAG" their aim is to raise funds for the victims of violence & crime
BRETT GUREWITZ - guitarist / co-writer of the political punk band "BAD RELIGION" . He's also the founder of EPITAPH RECORDS
CONCENTRATION X - a U.S punk & hardcore fanzine in the 80's
RUSS RANKIN - former vocalist of "GOOD RIDDANCE" & current vocalist of "ONLY CRIME"
DIDITS GONZALES - legendary punk photographer , rock critic & plays a huge part in the early days of PHILIPPINE PUNK SCENE
S.H.A.R.P - means "SkinHead Against Racial Prejudice"
DONITA SPARKS - one of the innovators of the 90's "RIOT GIRL" movement. She is the singer of L7
GOO GOO DOLLS - started out as a punk band before they turned them selves into the more commercial "alternative" music
MAGNIFIED PLAID - the original name of "MXPX"
HANDSOME - nickname of DICK MANITOBA lead singer of THE DICTATORS
PUNKROCK AN ORAL HISTORY - a book that was written by "JOHN ROBB" vocalist of the punk soul outfit "GOLDBLADE".The book contains 150 interviews from diff. "PUNKBANDS & SCENESTERS"
COCK SPARROW - original name of COCK SPARRER , a "melodic Oi / Punk " band in the mid 70's
MAXIMUM ROCK N ROLL - one of the worlds longest running fanzine
ON DISCO - a small "PUNK/CHAUNG" hang out joint located along "ROXAS BLVD." in the 80's
NERBY CRIES - a NewYork based fil-am punk band led by ex- PRIVATE STOCK "EDMUND ARAULLO"
T.R.A.S.H - [ Total Rebellion Against Society's Hypocrites] a band that was formed by "RAY DECAY"

brons of taguig
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WINSON SMITH - punkrock artist
GENERATION - X - before Billy idol & Tony James became SSS , they were part of a quartet callede "GENERATION X"
THE NEWYORK DOLLS - the main influence of both The RAMONES & SEX PISTOLS.The dolls remain the patron saint of punks drunker side but they also played eccentric uncles to the 80's hairmetal movement
THE NEWYORK DOLLS:
DAVID JOHANSEN - guitars
JOHNNY THUNDERS - [R.I.P] - guitars
ARTHUR KANE -[R.I.P] bass
JERRY NOLAN [R.I.P] - drums
COLD AS THE CLAY - Gregg Graffin's second proper solo album which features members of the political folk punk band THE WEAKERTHANS.This album is different from the usual forte of GREGG GRAFFIN in BAD RELIGION
AGENT ORANGE - one of the more musically talented & diverse band to emerge from the incipient hardcore movement . Thier debut album "LIVING IN DARKNESS" released under RHINO RECORDS in 1981 was one of the finest hardcore punk album in the 80's
MANIC PANIC - a punk boutique located at SAINT MARK'S PLACE is owned by TISH & SNOOKIE of "THE SICK FUCKS"
CHEETAH CROME - a.k.a "STIV BATORS"
ANOTN FIER - drummer of the "FEALIES"
JOE KEITHLEY - He's the forefather of canadian punk scene being the front man of "D.O.A"
MIKE PARK - vocalist of the SKA PUNK outfit "THE CHINKEES" . With tracks HANA,ASIAN PRODIGY,SHES'S MY FRIEND, you can skank your feet with their upbeat & socially inclined songs . MIKE PARK is the owner of "ASIAN MAN RECORDS"
JULY 19 1978 - The "DEAD KENNEDY'S" was formed
THE DIODES - aside from D.O.A , the DIODES are also considered as one of Canadian punk pioneers
THE GERMS:
DARBY CRASH - [R.I.P] - vocals
LORNA DOOM - bass
PAT SMEAR - guitars
DON BOLLES - drums
ARI UP - She's the vocalist of "THE SLITS"
JOAN JETT - founder of the teenage all girl band "THE RUNAWAYS" . She's also the vocalist of JOAN JETT & THE BLACKHEARTS.Her trademark blend of punk,metal & rock n roll is distinct . She's considered as the queen of "RIOT GIRL" movement
RED CORPSE - TARLAC hardcore pioneers
WALLY MALLARI - vocals
ARIS MANABAT - lead guitar
BENSON ORTALEZA - guitar
VOX ABUY - bass
RONNIE SACUEZA - drums
GENERATION - X - before Billy idol & Tony James became SSS , they were part of a quartet callede "GENERATION X"
THE NEWYORK DOLLS - the main influence of both The RAMONES & SEX PISTOLS.The dolls remain the patron saint of punks drunker side but they also played eccentric uncles to the 80's hairmetal movement
THE NEWYORK DOLLS:
DAVID JOHANSEN - guitars
JOHNNY THUNDERS - [R.I.P] - guitars
ARTHUR KANE -[R.I.P] bass
JERRY NOLAN [R.I.P] - drums
COLD AS THE CLAY - Gregg Graffin's second proper solo album which features members of the political folk punk band THE WEAKERTHANS.This album is different from the usual forte of GREGG GRAFFIN in BAD RELIGION
AGENT ORANGE - one of the more musically talented & diverse band to emerge from the incipient hardcore movement . Thier debut album "LIVING IN DARKNESS" released under RHINO RECORDS in 1981 was one of the finest hardcore punk album in the 80's
MANIC PANIC - a punk boutique located at SAINT MARK'S PLACE is owned by TISH & SNOOKIE of "THE SICK FUCKS"
CHEETAH CROME - a.k.a "STIV BATORS"
ANOTN FIER - drummer of the "FEALIES"
JOE KEITHLEY - He's the forefather of canadian punk scene being the front man of "D.O.A"
MIKE PARK - vocalist of the SKA PUNK outfit "THE CHINKEES" . With tracks HANA,ASIAN PRODIGY,SHES'S MY FRIEND, you can skank your feet with their upbeat & socially inclined songs . MIKE PARK is the owner of "ASIAN MAN RECORDS"
JULY 19 1978 - The "DEAD KENNEDY'S" was formed
THE DIODES - aside from D.O.A , the DIODES are also considered as one of Canadian punk pioneers
THE GERMS:
DARBY CRASH - [R.I.P] - vocals
LORNA DOOM - bass
PAT SMEAR - guitars
DON BOLLES - drums
ARI UP - She's the vocalist of "THE SLITS"
JOAN JETT - founder of the teenage all girl band "THE RUNAWAYS" . She's also the vocalist of JOAN JETT & THE BLACKHEARTS.Her trademark blend of punk,metal & rock n roll is distinct . She's considered as the queen of "RIOT GIRL" movement
RED CORPSE - TARLAC hardcore pioneers
WALLY MALLARI - vocals
ARIS MANABAT - lead guitar
BENSON ORTALEZA - guitar
VOX ABUY - bass
RONNIE SACUEZA - drums

brons of taguig
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Did Ray Cappo really sold out in Italy?
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"What are you selling? Reefer? Crack? Smack? Horse? X? Shrooms? Dust? Meth? In my neighborhood? I don't think so!"

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